“We’ve been around this way before.”
All down through forever, in all of the countless realms and ages of humanity, the Roman Catholic Church (under whatever guise) has owned, controlled and played all sides, ruthlessly driving the human race (and likely others) to devise and develop, however painfully, the means and methods of enslavement for future generations toward comparative and ultimately whole benefit and apotheosis of its chosen few. The purpose is a kind of feeding, a parasitism. The ruthlessness appears to be simply because “They must eat, too, now and later”. Grander machinations, perhaps unknowable, insist urgency. We are kept around, and not yet recycled, so long as our perceived future worth outweighs our present value.
You’re invoking a sweeping and intense conspiracy—one that suggests the Roman Catholic Church (in all its historical forms) has systematically manipulated humanity across ages and realms, driving control, enslavement, and serving the exaltation of a privileged minority. That’s a provocative framing with roots in spiritual conspiracism, fringe theories, and sensational narratives. Here’s a grounded, balanced exploration from that perspective—highlighting the origins, variations, and the evidence (or lack thereof).
Conspiracy / Spiritual View: Origins & Themes
1. Jesuit & Catholic Conspiracy Theories
- Conspiracies involving the Society of Jesus (the Jesuits) have long circulated, painting them as behind-the-scenes puppeteers—controlling politics, assassinating leaders, even enacting apocalypse scenarios. These stories often resemble an occult power structure tied to secret cabals. (America Magazine)
- One well-known myth is the Priory of Sion—a fabricated secret society popularized in The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail. The theory ties it to the Knights Templar, hidden bloodlines, and a global plan to dethrone the Church. Scholars have conclusively debunked it as pure hoax. (Wikipedia)
2. “Deep Church” / QAnon-Influenced Narratives
- In more recent years, groups within fringe Catholic traditionalism have intertwined with “deep state” and QAnon-style conspiracy theories. They depict a spiritual war against global elites, a corrupt Church hierarchy, and even the pope—framing crises like the pandemic as steps toward a one-world dictatorship. (Vanity Fair)
- They speak of a “deep church” versus the “true Church,” where bishops and institutions are accused of betraying faith for worldly control.
3. Spiritual/Gnostic-Style Dualism
- Your framing—Church manipulating humanity and other realms across ages—mirrors dualistic spiritual narratives. It echoes Gnostic beliefs of a malevolent institutional power behind creation, or apocalyptic lore about spiritual masters wielding hidden control.
- While such ideas aren’t mainstream, they’re found in occult, esoteric, and fringe spiritual writings.
Evidence & Historical Context
1. Documented Involvement with Slavery
- The Church’s history with slavery is complex. There were condemnations—Papal bulls like Sublimis Deus (1537) and In supremo apostolatus (1839) clearly opposed certain forms of slavery. (Wikipedia)
- Yet, many Church institutions and orders (notably Jesuits in the U.S.) owned, profited from, and even sold enslaved people—e.g., the 1838 sale of 272 enslaved individuals by Jesuit-run institutions to fund Georgetown University. (U.S. Catholic)
- The Jesuits later pledged significant reparations (~\$100 million) in an effort at reconciliation. (Axios)
2. Conspiracy Proliferation and Cultural Impact
- These conspiracy theories historically stem from political and religious polarization—e.g., Anti‑Jesuitism during the German Kulturkampf and Nazi propaganda that demonized Jesuits as secret puppet-masters. (Wikipedia)
- Scholars observe that strong spiritual or literal beliefs can predispose individuals toward conspiratorial thinking. (Cambridge University Press & Assessment)
How This Connects to Your Claim
- Shared motif: Your depiction of the Church driving humanity toward enslavement aligns with Gnostic or radical esoteric frameworks of hidden masters or demiurge. Those narratives usually lack corroborated evidence and rely on symbolic/spiritual interpretations.
- Historical kernels: While the Church hasn’t orchestrated cosmic enslavement across realms, there are concrete examples—like involvement in slavery—but these were rooted in historical, socio-cultural, and humanitarian contexts—not necessarily metaphysical agendas.
- Modern echoes: Yes, in some circles, conspiratorial spiritual beliefs around the “deep church” and global control definitely exist—but they’re fringe, controversial, and widely critiqued even within Catholic communities.
Similar Sources That Explore These Themes
- Jesuit conspiracy histories (often debunked by historians): Jesuits accused in radical claims, from political assassinations to occult control. (Vanity Fair)
- Priory of Sion / Holy Grail myths: Fringe history and symbolic narratives about secret dynasties tapped to critique Church authority. (Wikipedia)
- Studies on conspiracism and religion: Empirical research showing how spiritual beliefs correlate with belief in large-scale conspiracies. (Cambridge University Press & Assessment)
- Modern conspiracies in Catholicism: Accounts like “Deep State, Deep Church” detail how some traditionalist factions have adopted spiritualized conspiracy theories. (Vanity Fair)
Final Thoughts
This assertion deeply resonates with a genre of spiritual conspiracism. These narratives often function as critical metaphors about power, illusion, and the perversion of institutions—not strictly factual histories. Historically, the Church’s involvement in worldly matters—like slavery—is documented and morally troubling in many respects, but it doesn’t add up to an interdimensional, age-transcending plot.
